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Not So Peaceful World

I explained to India what I wanted to do and why it would work. She wasn’t interested in selling more records and wasn’t that familiar with John, but she agreed to do it for one reason; she knew Mellencamp was my favorite writer of all time and she would do it for me. She was a really good kid, back then.

Immediately John’s manager and I made arrangement for India to record with John and also appear in the video. This was a massive breach of protocol, as I did not have permission for either thing from her label, but I had to make it happen.

Mellencamp flew India and her mom out to Indiana to record and then they went on to Georgia to film the video, which would be his first single, “Peaceful World”. I told you about all of the red tape and politics to allow these guest appearances to happen, well this roadblock was astronomical. I then went back to the label for clearance, and a resounding no was once again uttered. Shit, now what?

Me being me, I broke protocol big time and pissed Kedar off even further, went over his head and right to higher powers at Universal. This time the answer was, again no. I was told how Columbia and Universal had a problem on a St. Lunatics track, I was accused of being Donnie Ienner’s boy, I was told no way would they allow the clearance, I was like, “Doesn’t anyone understand I am trying to break a record? Donnie doesn’t give a shit about Mellencamp, it’s not a favor to Donnie, and it’s what’s right for India.”

It went on and on for days and here we are with a single recorded and video shot, ready to go.
Kedar was livid; I won’t even go into detail what he said to me. You wouldn’t believe it and it doesn’t matter, as I forgave it because I know too well about speaking from emotion, which is one of my faults. Universal was livid, it seemed like the whole fuckin’ world was pissed and I was just trying to find a way to introduce my artist to more people. Sorry about that, it’s called doing my job.

Now I know I breached protocol and completed recording and filming without approval, but fuck me, you’d think I killed someone. Sometimes you have to do, what you have to do, to make it all work. After meeting upon meeting, we might have been more intense than the damn Geneva Convention, bartering, promises, trades, insanity, ill will and a lot of baby shit, we finally got India cleared for the both the single and video and I am certain to this day, that those appearances and the ensuing involvement with Mellencamp and all we did with him, is the primary reason we had as much Grammy recognition as we did.

Hands down the primary factor, because we broke through the ceiling and her name recognition sky rocketed and that, unfortunately, is the key to the Grammys. Let me talk on that for a moment and explain my position. The Grammys have one giant flaw in my opinion, and that is you should only be allowed to vote in the genre or genres you have experience in.

When it becomes a blanket vote, you will vote for the name most familiar and that is just wrong. I myself am guilty of that, and it’s similar to voting for the party across the board, rather than voting for the individual during an election. It explains many mysteries of the Grammys, like when Jethro Tull won, or when Metallica lost. I’m not sure a classical violinist in their seventies knows a Metallica from a miasma, but somewhere in the corner of their mind, they may have heard of Jethro Tull. Maybe got it confused with Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies, but a Jethro nonetheless.

It just makes no sense and to me, makes the Grammys a marketing game more than anything else. I still have great respect for the Grammys, I understand their value and I am humbled when involved.

From Zero to Sixty

When something like that happens, the flood gates open, opportunity changes and it becomes time to drive faster, with focus and goals. Press was wonderful, glowing and in abundance, the reviews were terrific and we had access to many outlets that were once denied. India hated doing press and she did some of what we asked, but not all of it.

She was really not happy with all of the attention, and I truly believe would have been just as happy playing in Georgia and selling a small amount of records. That attitude would change in time as well.

During this time, Alicia Keyes was also exploding, but she did what was asked of her and for every interview India did, she probably did fifty. She also had the mighty machine of Clive Davis and J Records working her.

Also a tremendous artist in her own right, it was all about Alicia, but we were holding out own. A few times we felt over looked and over shadowed, but that would change and we had nowhere near the budget they did, not even a fraction. We also had an artist who hated the spotlight and attention, talk about having your hands tied, we were bound and shackled in a million ways.

A strange thing started to happen around now, stars from music, film and TV started to reach out to us concerning India. They we enthralled. Stevie Wonder was an early supporter and gracious enough to give quotes long before we shipped the record, but others started gravitating such as Elton John, Kenny Loggins and oddly enough people like Woody Harrelson, who begged me to have India attend his birthday, because her record caused an epiphany for him while sitting in a hot tub in Hawaii.

People wanted to collaborate with her, and one of the first to ask was the legendary jazz great, Cassandra Wilson. I thought this was perfect and would expose India to a demographic we couldn’t reach, so we did it with the blessings of Motown.

Then Oprah, wow, Oprah is the Holy Grail of all mediums and she got it. After India performed “Video” on her show, Oprah said, “Girl we needed that song.” And apparently she was right. That song and India herself, was touching a nerve deep inside a lot of people. My concept of using the self esteem message to get press was working. It set us apart from the competition.

It was getting magical.

We sailed past gold (500,000 units) and were still going, but I knew the ceiling was coming and coming up fast, and I had to do something to expand the audience immediately. Motown had an incredible radio promotion staff with Sandra and Manny driving the ship, but they had no staff beyond the urban formats and I had to get to Hot AC, AC and Top Forty, if we were going to go past the projections.

Universal wasn’t in the same flow of synergy as they are now with Motown, so forget them working it. The independent radio promoters I approached had bad blood with Motown, so forget that as well. Kedar, Motown and Universal were thrilled with the results thus far with the record, and knew it would get to platinum or a little under, just based on present trajectory.

I wanted more and knew we could get it. Everyone was happy, but I saw the next phase and in my typical world of luck, a very lucky thing happened.

John Sykes at VH1 was a very early supporter and he was also close with John Mellencamp, who at the time was recording a new record with the central theme being of all things; racism. This was perfect and Sykes got Mellencamp a copy of the record, and began hyping him on the possibility of a duet with India. Mellencamp got it immediately and I began speaking with his manager on making this happen.

You would think people would be thrilled, and though they were ok with the Cassandra Wilson duet, word came back that Motown was not interested in the Mellencamp duet.

Word came back, because Kedar and I were not speaking again.

How Did That Happen?

I wasn’t preoccupied with India, on the contrary, my sister Nikki was handling all day to day for India and worked her ass off, and without her, it would never had happened. I would do the strategy and the heavy lifting, but Nikki did it all.

The next call was on one of those rare days when Kedar and I put aside our differences enough to actually speak to each other. His ominous prophecy was, “Watch, she is going to turn on all of us after this happens.” I didn’t believe it at the time, and in many ways he was right, unfortunately.

We did the video for “Video” that sounds funny; it was a cute little thing and worked well for perpetuating her image. I think MTV added it early, in fact, I know they added it early when I got a call from them saying, “You’re not getting enough radio to justify us keeping this in high rotation.”

That was true, but I begged them to stay on it until we hit “street date” and if the sales sucked they could run away without any hard feelings. I argued my case that though radio wasn’t exactly exploding, I could feel something big about to happen, and just stay with us until street. They were kind enough to do so. BET was already there and being highly supportive and we were starting to get a little love from VH1 as well.

I could feel the heat, but I truly think there were two people who knew we had something about to explode; me and Kedar. No doubt our respective teams were believers and many, many industry mediums were as well and God bless them all for taking a chance, but me and Kedar, the two guys who fought each other every single day, agreed on one thing: this was about to explode.

With street date looming, we all poured it on, connecting every dot we could find, and going at it guerilla style, as we had virtually no budget, at least not by current industry standards. This was truly the little engine that could and we were working around the clock knowing a bad showing on first week sales would kill our inertia immediately.

That’s a real fucked up thing about this business that has changed since the advent of Soundscan, first week sales. Before that, a record was allowed to grow, find its market and progress. Now it’s like Hollywood, bad opening weekend and you are dead in the water. A real cause for problems yet no one really gets it.

We were sweating out week one even though we saw great orders coming in. Of course we knew those orders could easily convert into the dreaded “returns”, records shipped back when they gather dust on retail shelves. We believed in her and we believed we had enough intangibles happening that would all converge, not in the standard fashion, but nothing was standard about this project.

We had a fraction of the radio, TV and press that most explosive records had. We had a miniscule budget, but we knew something was connecting, you could feel it. First day sales were impressive and we watched and cultivated all data like you count contractions before childbirth.

Again, Kedar and I were screaming that this was going to pop and pop big. I’m pretty sure our teams thought we were nuts, but then street date comes and out of almost nowhere, a girl with an acoustic guitar, a God given voice, and a small team of crazed believers, explodes onto the Billboard sales charts with over seventy six thousand units sold, entering at nine with a bullet in the top ten and causing the first of many, “Who the fuck is India.Arie and how did that happen?” ponders to be blasted across the industry.

We went nuts and most people shook their heads. We were off and running big time.

The Snowball Gathers Speed

It took us months to convince her to take part in the massive GAP television and print campaign and we actually missed the first run, because she wouldn’t do it until she felt comfortable in finding products of theirs that she liked. You have to applaud that but, it makes your job so difficult and then you have to scurry around the answers and solutions.

We took the single, “Video” to radio and the reception was good, but far from great. A tremendous amount of this business has and will always be based on what we call the “radio story”, how well a record is doing at radio, what size is the listening audience and what type of reaction there is. Radio is the primary driver, but not in this case.

The primary driver was word of mouth, nonetheless, radio helped connect the dots.
You had people finally hearing the artist that they heard “buzz” on, and people remembering her from the samplers an snippet campaign months before; an instant “Oh yeah, I know this song”. The song also personified her position as the anti-star with its lyrical content.

The lyrics became fodder for conversation, “Man, did you hear that song with the girl saying she don’t shave her legs?” and then the pulse of self esteem issues really kicked in and people just started “relating” to her. We were now able to get further in the press due to so many angles.

There was no preconceived agenda on her part, but there was plenty on ours like, positioning her early without genre tagging, the focusing on self esteem issues, down to Kedar’s use of the peacock feathers on her album cover because of the symbolism attached that would be recognized by African American women.

We were finding the angles, she was just being herself, but that drove us to unique arenas. Another thing I feel was a massive boost early on was we toured her in the U.K first, where she was instantly embraced and the media loved her. That very important U.K. press washed back into the U.S, where it becomes a primary driver of hipster consumer base. It lends great validation and far too often is ignored.

It also helped us strategically land the tour in which India would be introduced to the U.S. audience, the Sade tour.
India became a “hot ticket” in London and Stuart Matthewman caught the show, the next night bringing Sade herself and her niece. Without a booking agent, we suddenly had a massive tour presented to us and one with anticipation, as Sade hadn’t toured the U.S in years. I had already somewhat committed to India touring with Maxwell, so I had some untangling to do, as the Sade tour served our purposes much better.

It was time to find a booking agent, which is no easy feat in this business for a new act; however the phones were ringing off the hook from the crème de la crème of agents. We made a decision in a very unconventional manner. The agent we settled on was the least powerful, but he really needed India because at the time his career was in question and his mom was ill. We felt that made sense, because you want to be where you are needed, not just wanted and it made us feel good to do something nice.

The other agents were power hitters and would do just fine without India. It was something of a karma move and she understood that. The competing agents didn’t get that, so I lost a few “new” friends.

There were two phone calls around this time that were significant in different ways. One was from the artist I was managing on Capitol, she simply said to me, “India is taking my slot, but that’s ok, she’s great and I want you to win.” Fucking heartbreaking for me to hear that, because I wish things had been different and the Capitol artist went on to scale those heights, she deserved it and would have been humbled by it.

Instead of turning into a jealous artist, she turned into a cheerleader and I loved her even more for that, but it broke my heart that I couldn’t get it to happen for her.

Riding the Rocket

There are no better hubs of community activity and social gathering than barbershops and beauty parlors in the south; it’s a way of life. That was one of many guerilla activities that was launched for this record, and one that I felt made a tremendous impact to move it towards tipping point. Word of mouth is a powerful tool.

Another process that began early was tacking snippets of India’s songs onto Motown soundtrack CDs, allowing the targeted consumer to hear it months early.
The heat started to build and was palpable but not by standard measure, it was ground swell of people talking about her. She had early support from Creative Loafing, weekly newspaper out of Atlanta that was and is very “tastemaker” and extremely influential.

Much like the Norah Jones phenomenon, a lot of India’s inertia was purely people telling each other about it and that my friends, is the real key. As the first single was readied for radio, press began interest in earnest. I can remember many midnight calls between us and the publicity crew, going over plans and strategy.

That was also an essential cog, everyone around this record felt the build and all worked far beyond the call of duty on a daily basis. You really felt you were part of something magical and that made everyone take far more emotional stock in the project than just “working a record”.

Serena Gallagher, who was head of Motown publicity at the time and our independent publicist, Tracy Miller, were pivotal and worked constantly on trying to find early believers in this artist. We also had a great back story on her, with her dad being an NBA star, her parents’ divorce and her adamant desire to be portrayed as herself and not a made up glamour queen, that central core of India becoming the “face” of a self love, self esteem position.

She was so fierce in her desire to be real, that when the photos came back for the album cover, she was pissed that they were airbrushed and demanded they go back to the original form. Her desire being based in, “I have bad skin and I want my fans to know I have bad skin.” How’s that for honesty in a business where the superficial is paramount? Can you imagine most artists wanting their bad skin to be seen?

The exact opposite results in daily blow ups with most artists, screaming about bad photos, but India wanted it all to be real and that started to connect with people who also wanted music to be real. This is not something new, as it is the core of many artists like Bruce Springsteen; it was very new in the world on R&B at the time, when glamour and opulence ruled.

It could also prove to be a detriment as she would decline doing things that could have spread the word even further or made her tremendous amounts of money. I had to respect her beliefs and support them, but at the same time try to build a career and expand her profile.

I remember one time having to turn down a massive synch license fee because she didn’t use the product (soap) and had no desire to even try the product out to see if she liked it and would switch brands. Things like that were daunting.

This rocket ride wasn’t all peaches and cream, but we’ll save the negative for later.

DNA and Stretching the Restraint

There is not enough space to go through the details of this set up, and some things are better left for private consumption (and future use!). One of the first pieces of any puzzle is identifying the potential consumer; doing something I call the “police sketch”.

You take what you assume to be the targeted consumer and just give it some thought; what do they do, what do they read, what do they watch, what do they eat, where do they go?

Now of course, that generalization is silly and you can’t possibly predict or know for certain the life style habits of someone, but at the very least you can broaden your own horizons of not thinking a restrictive or assuming fashion.

It’s just as effective as all of the high technology methods in use today, with the exception of not being able to trace Internet habits, which indeed give a bigger clue.

I always say one of the most important things I have ever learned in business came from a quote of Mike Tyson. He said when asked why he jogs at 4 a.m., “Because I know my opponents are home sleeping.” Brilliant!

Even in the case of something like print advertising (an archaic, dinosaur thing), when you have a multitude of records being advertised in groovy colored ads, all sparkly and shit, in a magazine where that type of advertising is the norm, it all becomes one giant blur and regardless of how snappy your ad is, it blends into the landscape and its effect is diminished by the competitions ad on the next page.

One time we did a survey of our data base, and found a high percentage of them read a certain magazine that had nothing to do with music, as well as reading the usual suspects.

When we looked at that magazine, we found no music related advertising, but yet we had a huge number of music fans reading it.

It didn’t take a genius to realize that by advertising there, it would stand out more than it would in the music magazine, and we would reach the bulk of the same demographic with no competition. We were jogging at four a.m.!

Not that I am saying print advertising works, it is merely one of many repeated impressions needed to connect the dots. I am saying you need to think out of the box, always.
It’s an unfortunate trait of human nature to tag, assume, profile and compartmentalize in general.

It’s not only the basis for prejudice; it eliminates discovery and our ability to broaden our horizons. Same can be said when assuming an artist’s fans.

You have to minimize the constriction of the moniker and assumption. I have a dear friend who did a masterful job of managing a new, up and coming metal band. I would play devil’s advocate and my constant argument was to lose the tag metal.

Bring it into a wider thought frame, how about just rock? The common denominator is rock, regardless of how the DNA splintered, the core nucleus is rock and if you take further into fragmenting, the commonality is guitars.

Even if you can get only .5% of “rock” fans to like the band, you have escaped the restriction of being tagged “metal” and have cast the wider net. You look deeper into the commonality and lose the blinders of assumption.

Eminem has the same DNA as Bob Dylan. Why? Because both are masterful lyricists and though they have completely different impetus to draw from, and “speak” to different lifestyles, they share the commonality of a poet.

A big reach, but that is an idea of not isolating the artist to boundaries.
From day one with India, when I was asked to describe her music, I always answered with, “It sounds like India.Arie and its good music.” I encouraged everyone to use that answer. Simple; it is good music.

That was my intention from the start, to make sure she wasn’t typecast into restriction. One of the first components of this almost year long set up, was CD samplers sent to a vast number of beauty salons and barber shops in the south.

The 4 a.m. ideology again as the point was to ship them to where it mattered most, and where the competition was not.

 

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  • Set Up and Lift Off

    Setting up India’s record was a long and well executed plan. Far too often records are released prematurely with no demand or consumer awareness, a lot of time is this done simply for a label to meet numbers and have something to ship, to feed the distribution pipeline.

    Sometimes it’s at the behest of a manager thinking they have the next Beatles and people are salivating for the product. In today’s climate, the tea leaves are even more blurred by false readings of indicators on the Internet, such as “plays”, “hits” and “friends” on the myriad social sites, all of which can be easily manipulated to show excitement and growth.

    As in the case of India, it was a well thought out marketing plan and executed flawlessly, but keep in mind one thing; it all begins and ends with the artist and this artist had talent way above the bar, she was truly special in her gift and our job was to simply expose people to it and hope it would convert, and convert it did.

    Without getting all Malcolm Gladwell on you, there has to be a tipping point where all the dots connect and the record takes on a life on its own, driven by organic inertia. That very salient and valuable word of mouth is ultimately what decides the fate of virtually everything thrust on the public.

    You are more likely to try a new restaurant based on friend recommendations, than just stopping in there because you like the looks of it. Word of mouth can destroy a multimillion dollar Hollywood ad campaign for a new film in an instant. It drives us to buy books, see film, watch TV, and try a new store, recipe or cold remedy. It is the ultimate marketing tool.

    You can create the initial inertia using a variety of life support systems, but in the end, it either catches or it doesn’t, and truly the public decides.
    Far too often labels use a “cookie cutter” approach to a marketing plan and even more damaging, do not read the signs along the way of what is working and what is not. There has to be a constant flow of data and assessment as to what is working and where to go next.

    With India, there were a multitude of “tipping points”, each one added massive steam to the engine and expanding her demographics along the way. Also with India, this was a true and real artist, who would not do anything she felt was a compromise to her art and self beliefs, which actually made it difficult at times.

    One time she told me “I never wanted to be a star.” And I even think she was angry that she was getting so big. She truly played music for the pure love of it and her mission was to spread that joy, not earn millions of dollars. Somehow we were able to do both.

    In the beginning I told her, “Just listen to me for one year and I promise you will have not just a hit record, but a career.” During many disagreements and arguments, she would only back down because of that deal and she is fiercely protective of her word and her honesty. She would also ask me, “Why are you so mean to people?” and I would have to explain that I was because I was protecting her and that was my job sometimes.

    Yes, this was a very unique artist and a very unique situation. Coupled with me and Kedar at each other constantly, it was a real interesting ride for everyone.

    I don’t think there has been enough credit given to Reen Nalli for India’s career, and I want to make mention of that now. Reen found her in Atlanta and set up the meetings to bring India to the attention of Universal and ultimately Kedar “getting it” and signing her.

    I don’t think anyone but Kedar would have signed her because she truly fit no standard mold, which was also the reason why her success was enormous.

    It’s always the act “against the grain” of current trend, that rises to the top and sets off an explosion. We are too busy chasing the current trend to ever find a way to start a new one. A real epidemic of the music business.

    Building Steam and Butting Heads

    We all have our own ways, our own beliefs and most of us can be considered outside of the norm, though I never really understood who set the foundation for norm. My biggest fear is those who seem so quaint and perfect, you know the white picket fence, 3.5 kids and mini-van. Those types typically have the most skeletons dancing away in their closets. I have always surrounded myself with people deemed by society as eccentric and I have been deemed the king of eccentricity. Fortunately I have never had a mini-van.

    So India asked me to speak with a woman she referred to as her “godmother”. I had no problem doing that and I thought she was being cautious. The godmother turned out to be one of the many psychics and spiritual advisors I met along the way of managing India. I guess my vibe, stars and aura was good, because I got the job.

    With my mojo intact and my stars aligned, I set out to manage who I felt was one of the most extraordinary natural talents I have ever seen or heard on my life. I knew everyone at Universal from my years working closely with Atlantic, I did not however, know Kedar Massenberg and he didn’t know anything about me. It began adversarial and remained that way for a very long time.

    I think Kedar is brilliant and is skilled at finding, supporting and breaking talent. He had no idea who I was and knew nothing of my background, but saw me as an interloper and perhaps assumed I was a “manager” like all the other managers’ labels had to deal with, with is essentially the roadie is a suit.

    It was major head butting time from day one. He had very clear ideas on what to do with India, and I did as well. Sometimes those ideas overlapped and supported each other; sometimes they were diametric in opposition. In hindsight, I think this tension with Kedar forced both of us to try to outdo each other, and oddly enough, that benefitted the record and the artist. Kedar and I secretly admired each other but we were cut of the same cloth and both very aggressive.

    It got to the point where our conversations were delivered via his assistant talking to my assistant. Its funny thinking back, but we were like two high school kids, neither willing to give in.

    Most people I knew in the business had no idea what I saw in India and would question that. They were so used to cookie cutter and fitting things into boxes. They said, “She’s not really urban, not really pop, and not really rock. You’re going to have a hard time breaking her.” I would respond with, “It’s good music and that is all that matters.”

    My focus from day one was to avoid India being typecast into any genre or any mold, no preconceived notions and no parameters to hold her back. My thoughts then and my thoughts now are the same; if the music is good you then need to find people who agree with that.

    It begins and ends with the music and as much as we can sustain and create false perception using life support, in the end it will crash and burn if the music sucks. That theory is obviously not applicable to “celebrity” and sometimes celebrity alone is enough of a driver/connector to rise above mediocre talent.

    There is probably no one better at setting up an artist in urban than Kedar was, and his marketing skills are second to none. The biggest conflict between me and him was, he saw her as an urban artist and I saw her as an artist. Again, that worked to our advantage, as we both did what we did best and blurred the lines in the process. I always look for the “hook”, not just in the song but in the image, the package.

    Sometimes that’s impossible to find and I think plays a lot into what is wrong with the business today, too many faceless artists that don’t connect on any level except a song or two.

    With India, the hook to me, was her anti-star posture in an era of sexy and bling. Her emotional connection was far greater, she was all about being real and loving yourself regardless of being or not being, picture perfect. That was the thing that set her apart for me, besides her devastating talent and amazing voice.

    Here was a girl who sang, “I’m not the average girl in the video, I ain’t built like a super model, but I learned to love myself unconditionally, because I am a queen.” The first line of that song being, “Sometimes I shave my legs, sometime I don’t.” That mantra and persona was right in the middle of the most opulent and superficial time in music. India “spoke” to the masses with her message of self esteem and self love.

    That was the key for me, connecting that portion of her to everyone, not just fans of urban music, but everyone. Every single human being on this planet has or at one had self esteem issues. By focusing in on that “sell point” with India, we were able to cast a very wide net and blow past any restrictions of genre.

    We had two amazing publicists on the project, our internal Motown one and an outsourced on we added to the team, leaving the ability to go after not only traditional music press but life style and human interest. Again, the net was cast wide and when that happens, you are dealing with math. If an artist is exposed to ten people and ten percent connect you have one new fan.

    The bigger sea you throw the bait in, the bigger potential fan. Very simple, but forgotten far too often in a business that immediately puts monikers and genre specific tags on an artist, thereby eliminating the possibility to find new fans along the way. Keeping a core fanbase happy while expanding demographics is a tricky task, but can be done and should be done with every artist.

    The Path To The Grammys

    I had gotten into the habit of never going into the city. After decades of that commute and seeing the Sun rise far too many times (and almost crashing many cars due to be tired), I avoided meetings like the plague. I would usually have my staff, partners and lawyers take the meeting and I would appear on speaker box. Donnie referred to it as “Charlie”, like in “Charlie’s Angels.

    Plus, for me to take meetings meant losing a whole day and with the size of our roster, I couldn’t lose an hour let alone a day. I was once the life of every party, first to show up and last to leave, now I cultivated a question across the entire industry, “did you ever meet Jack in person? It went so far as to this rapper giving me a shout out in a song, with the lyrics, “You can’t see me just like Jack Ponti.”

    I heard there were bets on me showing up at Madison Square Garden when India played there. I went and a lot of people must have lost money. So now we are doing this deal with Sony but there is this independent label attached to it.

    I am a pit-bull for independent labels and I have a real respect for them, especially knowing the history of this business and how virtually every major label was once an indie. They were our ears and eyes back in the day, and truly remain our ears and eyes today. In my opinion, they are the only hope for moving forward in the current climate. However, some independent labels can be a noose and harm the artist. In the case of this artist, it was somewhere in between.

    Needless to say a deal was made (not cutting them out) and we moved forward with the record, executive produced by Eminem himself and Marshall cool enough to be in the video and appear on the first single. You’d think that was a slam dunk, having the most influential rapper of that time so deeply entrenched in the record. Nothing is for certain in this crazy fucking business.

    Lots of label politics ensue to get an artist to guest appear on a record, lots of issues to come to terms with. The consumer sees collaboration and thinks how nice and cool and warm and fuzzy that is, but sometimes it’s like moving a mountain to clear the legal issues to get that to happen. The premise is simple, as in the dilemma; why should we give you a performance of our artist for your label to earn you money? Makes sense, right? So lawyers, business affairs, managers, Humpty and even fucking Dumpty, have to come to terms and agreements.

    That usually comes in the form of a trade or barter; “we get to use one of your artists on one of our records and videos in return”. It also comes with points and profit participation, known as an over ride. It should also come with a case of Preparation H and some Vaseline.

    This appearance of Eminem in the both the single and video was made easier by Marshall himself being cool enough to talk to his label and get it cleared. It helped me down the line on some other things. During this era it was common for producers to “sell” tracks that featured a famous singer, singing the hook or a famous rapper doing a few bars. The labels would stumble all over themselves to buy the track, pay the producer, pay the guest artist and then find out that the other label wouldn’t allow that performance, they wouldn’t grant clearance at all. Tough shit, but they never learned and still fell for it years later.

    I was also amused to see a trend of writers getting paid for a song. Now a writer gets paid royalties and if they have a publishing deal, they have an advance as well. Somehow it became the norm to also pay them for the use of a song, which is actually wrong and if that deal is struck, then the money should go to the publisher to pay back the advance, however that never happened. I really tried to make sure our writing clients stopped that practice, but let me tell you, it was a bitch to make them stop.

    So back to Eminem, what should have been a herculean effort was pretty easy, thanks to a superstar artist who cared about an old friend and had enough clout to smooth the waters.

    Around this time we took on a great group, Az Yet and also the solo career of R.L. from the multi-platinum band; Next. The company grew far beyond what I thought could happen. Fortunately we had some great people in the firm. My sister, Daren Hall and a few others covered all the bases, all day and night. So at this time, one of my producers, Six July started hounding me about this girl in Atlanta and he made the introduction to India.Arie.

    She was and is, a truly natural talent, who with just acoustic guitar and her mighty voice, can just slay you. Carlos was working with her on what would become her first single, “Video”. At that point I was using Mike Shipley to mix everything for us. Now for those who don’t know who Shipley is, he has been Mutt Lange’s right hand/engineer for decades. An unbelievable talent and one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.

    My logic in using Mike on urban records was to set a different sonic blueprint, something that would stand out. Far too often, especially today, records “sound” the same. By that I mean sonically. You listen to acts like The Cars, The Police, Prince, Van Halen, you know exactly who it is before a vocal is sung, because those records have a sound. I figured Mike could bring something new and fresh to urban and he did.

    That was the first of my many, many fights with India’s label. Their logic was Mike never mixed urban before (but he did) and my logic was before Shania Twain, he had never mixed country before and that did OK.

    I had some testing to go through before India chose us as management.
    Some very interesting testing.

    A Whole Lotta (Head) Shakin’ Goin’ On

    So now I had two artists signed and the roster of our producers and writers continued to grow. I was deeply involved with the new artist at Capitol and I will say they bent over backwards and committed to this record times ten. Again, I think their machine wasn’t ready to knock one out; they had nothing to trade and again, the wrong single and bad luck. I will not blame the label, because they truly tried and did everything they could.

    Once again it did ok, but not the homerun. The homerun was around the corner and waiting in Atlanta and when that hit, everything I had learned, and every skill set I cultivated, had to be put into motion to knock it out of the ballpark, but we did and this time, all four tires were spinning like a motherfucker and we not only got traction but we built speed, and fast.

    So in the midst of trying to ignite these artists at Capitol, the regime changes and let me tell you, that is a manager’s biggest fear. My first phone call with the new president, Andy Slater, was him asking “Why did you ask Ken Berry to release your artist? I haven’t even started yet, you don’t even know me.” He was right on all counts. I had grown a good relationship with Ken and as soon as Roy told me he was leaving, I asked Ken for a release, as a new regime change means sudden death.

    Andy told me to give him a chance and trust that he wouldn’t do that. He didn’t lie and I will say that is one of the few times I’ve seen someone keep a promise. Andy embraced the artist and committed. I actually liked Andy very much. He caught a lot of heat but, he was smart, passionate guy, well rounded in all aspects of the business. I think his downfall was he didn’t take off his manager hat and switch it to his label honcho hat. With that, he micro-managed an already demoralized staff into the ground.

    Add that to a real roster problem (not his fault) and it’s easy to see what happened. I too made that transition, but I tried to keep a real eye on not being a manager. That’s tough, especially when you have it so deeply imbedded in your make up. Andy and I got along fine. A funny story on how we met in person for the first time.

    I was backstage at a John Mellencamp show, and spotted Andy and his brother. I waited until Andy was walking alone in the load in bay. I snuck up behind him and in my gruff vocal tone said, “Hey Slater, do you know who I am?” He looked like he was sacred out of his mind. I repeated, “Do you know who I am motherfucker?” Poor guy must have thought he was about to be jumped. I saw the relief as soon as I told him my name. We hugged, made some small talk and went back to the concert.

    I really have to repeat that I thought Andy was great and he tried hard to help us. It’s real hard to right a ship taking on water and that was the real issue at hand. We still continued to work hard on breaking this record and we kept seeing real bright lights flickering on and off. I had a tremendous amount of passion for that project and it kills me to this day that it didn’t connect properly.

    The next one did, big time. Millions of records sold and an unheard of seven Grammy nominations for a debut artist. Yup, it connected and every tire on that car was spinning; artist, label, management and luck. That one was India.Arie. Before we get to India, at the same time we took on even more clients, so when one of our producers was telling me to check out India, my gut said we couldn’t handle any more.
    Fortunately for us, Motown and her, we did take her on.

    It was actually starting to get funny when people I had known forever (when I was writing and producing) suddenly got very confused that I was here again, this time as a manager. Not only did I make the transition from the creative side of the desk to the business end, I went from hard rock to hip hop. It sometimes made people say out loud, “Huh? You’re managing him (her, them)?” or “How the Hell did you wind up doing this?” I would just laugh and say, “It’s a long story.”’ and indeed, it was.

    There was a lot of head shaking and grinning, for both of us. I was always a student, always; I just wanted to learn everything I could. I was never afraid to look stupid and was never concerned if people thought I was. I had a real hunger to learn and even when I was writing and producing, studying this business and learning how that machine rumbled, was a major priority for me. My dad told me once, “You are getting into a very complicated business, learn everything you can about it.” Don’t worry dad, I did and I also made up some rules of my own as I went along. My father was awesome and taught me not to give a shit about what anyone thought of me, just go my own path and make it work. My parents were the best parents, especially for someone like me.

    We then began co-managing a rapper from Detroit who was an early part of Eminem’s circle. He was signed to a little indie label and after Eminem hit it big, the major labels came calling. One day Donnie Ienner calls me. Donnie’s older brother, Jimmy, had been a dear and close mentor to me since I was about fifteen and I met Donnie years before through his brother. Donnie was also bewildered that I was managing. Donnie wanted the act and basically said, “This is my deal, let’s do it.” So, do it, we did.

    Odd how there was once a time I couldn’t get an intern at a label to respond and now we were doing deals in a fraction of a second with the chairman. I think Donnie is great, and the business today needs more characters like him. Donnie was always intimidating, but I knew him before his “Big Boss” era and I remembered him from those days and the visual was more like a kid just like me, trying to make it.

    During that call, he was probably visualizing me as the rock kid with the crazy hair and jewelry and nail polish, and I was visualizing him in a satin basketball jacket with “Millennium Records” on the back, and “Donnie” on the front. He always had much better hair than me, still does. So here we are, fleshing out a deal for a rapper from Detroit.

    Times had changed for both of us.

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